Who do you say I am?

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“Literally, the text reads "in order that every the one believing in Him, not to perish, but have everlasting life." It says "every" or "all the one believing..." That's hard to express in English, but in essence, it is saying "all the believing ones." That's what is being communicated. It is saying that there is no such thing as a believing one who does not receive eternal life, but who perishes. Though our English translation says "whoever believes" the literal rendering is accurately translated as "every believing one" and the emphasis is NOT AT ALL on the "whosoever" but on the belief. The ones BELIEVING will not have one consequence but will have another. They will not perish but will have everlasting life.” Rev John Sampson.

Even though the Rev. creates a good argument he is basing his argument on a his own understanding of the passage. As I have said in the past, all our arguments are coloured by our own beliefs.

John 3:16
The actual Literal translation from the Greek is :-
“thus for loves the God the world so that the Son the only-generated He-gives that every the one-believing into Him no should-be-being-destroyed but may-be-having life perpetual.”

To me you would have to be an accomplished linguist and Greek scholar just to put that into plain English.

Strong's Concordance shows that the word translated as whosoever could also be - all, any, every, the whole, all manner or means, always, anyone, etc., etc. G3956

As you can see it is dangerous to base an argument on one word, especially one that can have many similar meanings. Therefore we cannot use this to disprove or even prove universal redemption.

As the Rev. says “What does this text tell us about who WILL believe or who CAN believe? The answer is: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! The text does not address the issue of who WILL believe or who CAN believe.” (emphasis his).
Again, I do agree with the Rev. in that there is limited redemption because of “you must be born again.” As all are not born again, then there is a limitation. Eternal life is limited to those who have believed on the Lord Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour.

My emphasis in John 3:16 has always been on the “believing” and not on the “whosoever” as the whole conversation that our Lord had with Nicodemus was about salvation and belief.

We keep telling people that the bible is

“the only sufficient, certain, and infallible rule of all saving knowledge, faith and obedience” Baptist Confession of Faith 1689, 1 The Holy Scriptures, 1.

Then rip the word of God to shreds ourselves trying to justify our personal theologies to other Christians. All this is while the world looks on and says “Why should I join them, when they can't even decide amongst themselves the truth.”
Personally, I do not wish to waste time arguing with Christians when there is a great number of lost souls in the world, those who do not know Christ as their saviour, who only see him as a good man or a character from a story, who have never heard of Nicodemus, never mind Calvinism or Armenianism.

Why should we battle with our brothers and sisters when people are dying around us and going straight to hell, do not pass go, do not collect £200.00!

We need to be on our knees, praying for our wives, children, friends, work colleagues for them to come to see who Jesus truly is.

Our question should not be what does “whosoever” mean, but the question our Lord asked the disciples “But who do you say I am?”

If the non Christian is arguing that John 3:16 is saying that there is a universal salvation it is usually because they think that because “God so loved the world” he must love everyone the same way and not want anyone to perish.
This is usually because they do not want to make our Lord the Lord of their lives and submit all to him, they are trying to wriggle out of hell instead of stepping into heaven.

These are the arguments we should be looking at, we should be pointing our finger at the world and be asking “Who do you say Jesus is, who do you say God is, who do you say the Holy Spirit is, do you believe in the triune God.”

Let us speak and preach and shout of Christ, that he lived, was crucified, died, rose again by His own power and is now seated at the right hand of the Father, in order that sinners may come to repentance. This is the good news of the Gospel and nothing more.

God Bless

Jem

Two or Three

Mat 18:15 (Jesus said) Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

I or should I say, we, were asked on Wednesday if we had ever used verse 20 in meetings, prayer meetings, bible study groups etc when only two or three have turned up.

I hold my hands up to this one, it is something I have done on more than one occasion.

We were told, regarding this passage, what we have done is taken it out of context, that it is not about our low attended gatherings but about when we have to deal with situations of sin (trespass) in the church.

Here we are given great instruction how to deal with these matters, and what is great about verse 20 is that it says that in these situations, if dealt with biblically, Jesus is in the midst of it.

How fantastic is that!

So lesson learnt there for me.

So what about those low attended meetings.

I have been part of a bible study group for a number of years and one thing you find is that there are days when people just do not turn up. Always the reasons have been honest and genuine (as you would hope from Christians) but the numbers would dwindle

At one time I would get paranoid about this.

Was it something I said last week?
Was it something I didn’t say last week?
Is it something we are studying this week?
Do I need to take a bath more often?

So, if I had a night when I got a few phone calls saying that people were unable to attend, I would cancel for that week.

Now I could say, this was because the remaining people had a long way to come and I didn’t want to put them to any trouble if there was to be only two or three of us. But to be honest some of the time it was easier for me. It meant that I could have a weeks rest from studying hard because I could use what I had done for the group study for the week after in the hope that more people would be available.

However, this was having an adverse effect on the group and me. The days when people didn’t come, grew. People found it easier to have genuine reasons not to come, and I found it easier to cancel. This also made me lazy in my studies, I didn’t put as much time into studying, left it while the last minute or didn’t study at all, because I started to expect people to cancel.

Thankfully, I was stopped in my tracks by God.

We talked in the group, how we should study the bible. And it turned out I was saying what we should do but not really doing it myself. A case of Physician heal thyself!

So I a decision had to me made, what would be the best way for me to continue or should I say add new impetus to my study. When did I enjoy studying most? When did I learn the most? Answer, when I was doing it for the group.

Now I no longer cancel group, no matter how many people are unable to come.

Has this made them less enjoyable,? No, because the people who do come, have done so because they want to.

Also there are less instances when people cancel.

What is the least number? Three. Me, SWMBO and one other.

So was verse 20 applicable at this time, and will I use it again in these situations? No because it is out of context.

But was Jesus still with us?

Yes, because He loves to see us study, have fellowship, build relationships and friendships and because He loves to be with us. God with us, in my house, with just a few of us, how fantastic is that!

God Bless

Jem